Foxes: who loves them?

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Chazza

Foxes: who loves them?

The night foxes are back again, crashing around over the fences as they chase each other and making messes on the lawn and going 'AAAAARGH' and 'YEE-YEE-YEE' and 'WARF, WARF, EEUNN" in the darkest hours like malign spirit visitors.

And eating through live electrical cables and chewing through hosepipes and digging holes in random locations and no doubt plotting some other equally asbo-worthy destruction even as I write up this charge sheet.

Does anyone have any advice on how to kick their little bottoms and make them avoid the local gardens?

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Welshcookie

Foxes

They and squirrels need their ears cleaned out with lead.

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sam from worthing

Foxes: who loves them?

Not me.

Since the introduction of wheelie bins - the food supply for them has gone. There are lots of reports around here (and old neighbourhoods) of seeing foxes with cats in their mouths. The chap who lived over the road was forever loosing his hens and ducks and geese to them despite digging a metre down and lining the night pens with corrugated sheeting and the racket they make, sounds like someone is being murdered, and most round here are mangy flea bitten yuckers not your lovely looking wild ones you see in the wilds of scotland.

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Welshcookie

Foxes

Sam, you are so right. In a rural setting a healthy fox is a beautiful sight; but unfortunately the urban fox is not that creature. Inflicted with mange, driven to breaking up black bags for food and generally a menace.

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SonyaK

Foxes: who loves them?

I don't think anyone loves them here in Oz - except maybe the idiots who brought them out here for hunting!!
The ones we see around our property are the 'healthy ones' you talk about, but mainly because they eat the native wildlife and the neighbours chickens!!
We have fox baiting programmes at times, but this year they seem to be prolific - bad news, especially for native animals.

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Linzechris

Foxes: who loves them?

Not me, I've got chickens that I love dearly. Enough said.

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Chazza

Foxes: who loves them?

The wheelie bin change hasn't made a difference here so I suppose someone's feeding them. Re "seeing foxes with cats in their mouths", there's one huge old Norwegian Forest Cat nearby who once fought off a fox, but I haven't seen foxes taking cats. Every missing cat poster in our area makes me think the same thing though.

We don't got no ducks'n'geese around here though there are zillions in the park (there's a huge lake), I don't know why they don't go there. Not that I want them to.

They do indeed sound like they're murdering someone but I have to say ours don't look flea bitten, they scratch a lot though. Perhaps we can get them all to go to Scotland and look lovely. I prefer Welshcookie's lead based solution though.

Sonia - "the idiots who brought them out here for hunting!!"
- that made me laugh. Hard to believe they were introduced deliberately. Can you still hunt them in Australia? That's been banned here so they have to be shot, which fortunately kills three times as many but means there are a lot more people wandering around the countryside with loaded shotguns. Hopefully not the same idiots.

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SonyaK

Foxes: who loves them?

Hi Chazza
Yes I believe they do still hunt foxes in some parts of Oz. - in Victoria at least. I think far more are killed by baiting and shooting than by the hunters.
They were introduced in 1855 for the fox-hunting English - they've made at least 10 native species extinct since they've been around!!

Rabbits were also introduced here and let into the wild for the fun of the hunt!! They are a major pest and have also decimated native animal populations.

Colonial settlers have a lot to answer for!!
(And I won't start on the decimation of the Aboriginal population!)

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Chazza

Foxes: little darlin's

I heard you also have a problem with cane toads which were introduced to wipe out some pest but went on to wipe out anything in their paths. Also with a small cactus called Opuntia Microdasys (I like cacti) which is a noxious weed now - bits break off and take root wherever they go.

You've probably read 'A Secret Country' by John Pilger. If not, judging by your last comment you'd probably find it interesting. There's tons of stuff about it on the net.

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SonyaK

Foxes: who loves them?

Cane toads were introduced to wipe out beetles destroying sugar cane in Queensland. Now they are the problem and have no predators!! They and spreading across the North of Australia and further South as well.

I haven't read John Pilger's book but have seen some of his documentaries, which were good. I'll put that book on my 'to read' list. Thanks, Chazza.

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Sue G

Foxes

We moved in November & so far have not seen any foxes around.

We have the chickens in the garden loose all day and in their house during the night. As i built it i"m sure if there were foxes around they could easily break in.
Our rubbish is left out in the lane just in black bags, no bins no wheely, you never see bags broken open.
Our house backs onto a forest and we were told to be careful. Maybe if there are foxes they just stay in the forest and eat rabbits, there are millions of them around.


In the UK i used to work just off Richmond park, my boss would let me park my car in their garage at the back of the flats.
One night just as i turned the corner there were 3 foxes sniffing around the garage doors, none looked to friendly.
Have to admit i did go and ask my boss to get my car out of the garage, was convinced they would attack me.

Could always get a gun and shoot them.

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Sue G

Foxes

Or get a large sack of stones and a Catapult (sorry maybe wrong spelling).

Can't you buy stuff from the garden centers to kill them off like stuff you buy for rats & mice.

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SonyaK

Foxes: who loves them?

"Can't you buy stuff from the garden centers to kill them off like stuff you buy for rats & mice."

I believe that in UK it is illegal to poison foxes!

In Australia there are fox poisoning programmes but they are run by a Government department and you can only get the poison through that department.

It has to be a co-ordinated baiting programme across a wide area - we did take part in one some years ago and there were very strict regulations as to how and when the poison should be laid. Then the property had to have warning signs around the area.

The poison is very nasty (called 1080) and can kill cats and dogs - not sure what it does to children!!

It's not like controlling rats and mice around the home:)

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Sue G

Foxes who hates them?

""Can't you buy stuff from the garden centers to kill them off like stuff you buy for rats & mice."

I believe that in UK it is illegal to poison foxes!



Last night while watching the kids do some kind of dance for their school i was chatting to a french dad who is a farmer.
He told me there are laws about poison but,
"if you are french do what you want and try not to get caught" they also put down loads of traps which are legal as long as they are away from public footpaths.
I asked about foxes in the forest around us and why we never see them, he said we are just lucky.

Also if there are foxes in an area and lots of animals are being killed the Mairie (which is the village Mayor) can organise the local Hunt to go and shoot them even if it is out of hunting season.

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Chazza

Catapults

We had another extended fox concert last night, they were performing something new that consisted mostly of the expression nooo-hhaaaggghhhh over and over at different speeds and random times.

Sue G, sounds like you and the chickens are very lucky not to be attracting the attention of the local foxes. Perhaps the previous owner put them off.

I'm certain that here in the UK it's illegal for individuals to put down poison of any kind, that would be a Council (=local government) matter. Also I can't see how to develop a poison that would not also knock off all sorts of other animals.

"Last night while watching the kids do some kind of dance ...", you made me grin, that's the way I feel about most school productions too.

I hadn't thought of traps. But I would be constrained by peer pressure to make them 'humane' traps and then I'd have boxes of foxes to deal with. I had enough grief about humane disposal when a mouse got chewing in a project I built with 5 kilometers of wire in it.

Guns are out, my borough includes an area called Tottenham, and the last gun seen there sparked off a police response that led to national riots.

Which leaves the rocks and the catapult. Good idea.

 
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