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Tompeters

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

It's a difficult subject as there are some very understandable sensitivities -- e.g. vegetarian/vegan, religious, cultural...

What's bugging me -- above all the comments already made on the telly -- is the kosher/halal inspection.

If I understood it correctly, both kosher and halal require a cleric to inspect the animal at the time of slaughter. So how can a horse be confused with a pig with a cow? Not to mention all those billions we pay to the UK authorities to inspect our food. Are they all asleep on the job? Might they give up their gold-plated pensions or even be sacked? No, of course not.

Nobody is to blame and Nobody will need a prison cell. Just my thoughts. How about yours?

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Ronald Fernie

Unlisted ingredients

Nothing wrong with horsemeat in the burgers or other things such as the ready meals that have been reported as long as it is clean and containing nothing harmful.

What is wrong is that it was not listed as an ingredient. The other point to note is that, so far, that meat has not been manufactured in England, Scotland or Wales, it has been imported from outside.

Halal, the slaughterman is a moslem who says a prayer over the animal before it is killed, after that it is out of his hands and malicious non-moslem sabotage must be suspected when the meat is contaminated by pork.

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Linzechris

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

I do not object to eating horsemeat when it is supposed to be what you are eating, but if it is being put in surrepitiously then it could be any old meat that has been stolen or kept in filthy conditions. Horses are given all sorts of drugs etc and also what about the welfare of those poor animals.

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Tompeters

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

That is a very good point indeed. Once you find undeclared (ipso facto) illegal ingredients you have no idea whether they are safe. Does it also beg the question whether other ingredients might be there? For example, in the UK flour and bread have to be fortified and it is presumed, not declared. So it is not the case that everything in the pack is on the label.

It might be relevant for people with sensitivities, allergies and intolerances. If Findus doesn't know that its 'beef' is actually horse then what does it know about its products?

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Saffy

Fraudulent Ingredients

I wouldn't choose to eat horsemeat, I'm not happy that I inadvertantly have, but it's not a major problem for me. I dislike the fact that I have been mislead, but I suppose I accept the fact that we are lied to on a daily basis by just about anyone and anything!

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Tompeters

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

Not a major problem for you?

Hmmm...OK I'd accept that horsemeat per se might not be a problem for you - my views on that are almost identical to your own, I would much prefer not to but I'm not going to go bottom-lip quivery finding out that I have eaten horse. I might even stretch that to eating humans...though a much more profound discussion perhaps best on a philosophy forum not a cookery forum!

The immediate 'health' problem is that since this is all in secret and illegal we have no idea what is in these products.

I wonder what the answer is? Yes, we could sack, fine or imprison those found guilty but as citizens of the world we all know that means; the scapegoat goes to gaol.

My belief is that brand-owners need to realise that their reputation is their capital. Nothing is more important to a brand than public confidence: trust.

But the whole brand/trust thing has been dented to such an extent that I wonder if it will become an 'insurance write-off'. i.e. brands of commodity products become valueless?

Food for thought ;) I'm going down to town to have a McDonalds :)) Can I bring a Big Mac meal back for anyone? ;)

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Saffy

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I don't usually buy any ready made products, but having been very poorly with the most horrendous cold, I last week picked up a Lasagne which was highlighted as being one of meals containing horsemeat. It was actually quite revolting compared to homemade and I shan't bother again.

Could you bring me large Chicken Select please - I really quite fancy it now!

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JAMES

Horse meat.

I also think the biggest problem is trust. What is says on the box should be what is in the box.

I've eaten horse meat before and prob would do so again, but I do expect to know what I am eating!

I also rarely buy ready meals, they generally just are not good enough!

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Welshcookie

Ingredients

I would not want to eat horsemeat, but I doubt it would do me any harm. The real scandal in this is the products contaminated with pork.

There are many people for whom that is strictly, very strictly, forbidden.

The supermarkets and buyers of cheap burgers should hang their heads in shame. Though if they continue to buy to a price, ie. the cheapest, scandals like this are bound to occur.

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JAMES

Ingredients.

To be fair, many people feel they have no choice. We know differently because we all have an interest in cooking, but people with little cooking knowledge do feel this is the only way to survive if they have a very limited budget.

Personally, when I've had a very limited budget in the past, I've still eaten well because its perfectly possible to cook something like a decent macaroni cheese, from scratch, for very little money, but many simply do not seem to realise this!

I've certainly never bought anything like "tesco value burgers" but is it fair to judge those who do?

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Tompeters

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

James, I agree about not judging others. We don't know what they know, their circumstances or anything. In any case, why shouldn't people feel secure in buying, say, Tescos economy burgers? The pack says what is (supposed) to be in the product, just as Findus lasagne. People have a moral and legal right to expect the label to be accurate. Inaccurate labeling is a criminal offence. Well, depends, doesn't it? I'f you're on a limited income and pinch a tin of salmon or maybe some real essential from Tescos they will call the police and you get a criminal record for life, for a £2 tin of fish. When THEY are responsible for a massive crime of hundreds of thousands or even millions, and trample on peoples' convictions about avoiding certain foods all they have to do is say sorrreeeee. Not good enough. They should end up in the dock and have the same kind of crimial record that their hapless customers get for a crime orders of magnitude less and, frankly, more understandable. [/rant]

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Saffy

Fraudulent Ingredients

It's your fault..... I had to go to MacDonalds for lunch!

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Tompeters

Fraudulent Ingredients (horsemeat)

I will be surprised if Macdonalds get caught up in this. They charge a lot of money for mince and tatties and if they can't do it for what they charge then they are greedy beyond avarice. I like the occasional Macdonalds. Thomasina and I go to one a couple of times a month.

It's going to have a bad effect on most commodity brands, I fear. It won't affect the likes of Delia, Beckham, etc. because they reflect the integrity of an individual. Brand Huhne looks as though it's been cooked by Thomasina in the combo while having a bath ;) biut that is because the individual concerned destroyed his own integrity.

My guess is that right now there are a lot of talks between press and product managers, production managers, etc. and labs taking on work to see if they can find the dirt on competitors. It's a very 'dog eat dog' environment or should I say 'man eat horse'?

If there is findable dirt out there it will be found ... and maybe buried. By HMG. Remember that brands give around 30% uplift on selling price for no intrinsic increase in value. That 30%, taken out of the market, would have a huge effect on the UK economy. Well, it's not just the UK. Multinationals are heavily involved.

Anyone like to become a vegetarian? For the first time in my life I am considering going semi-veggie. Eat only the very finest meat and fish and very occasionally as my finances don't allow the best all the time.

Make mine a GM soya-burger and fries cooked in hydrogenated vegetable oil ;)

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JAMES

Horse Meat in burgers.

Erm, sorry, McDonadls is cheap as buttons. Dirt cheap. As in amazingly cheap........

"charge a lot" ???????????????

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Biggles !

Horsemeat etc ....

My concern is that I have a total intolerance of prawns, no matter which size, which country; they have a very BAD effect on me. Don't know why. However, out looking for Thai paste today. Shock Horror, contains prawny thingies. Want to make a Thai style lamb curry tomorrow. will be trawling various sites to get the info. I'm really, and extremely unwell if I make contact with a prawn in any form. As for religious purposes; I just cannot appreciate how this might affect me. On the other hand I'll not forget my flight from London to Delhi. When we left we were all drinking. When we were a couple of hours from Delhi, the Asians stopped drinking alcohol.

Looking for Thai subs. Cannot get lemon grass here.

 
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